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Mordakai · Apr 03, 2007, 05:51 PM // 17:51

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Originally Posted by Domino

I dunno... the Undead played a big role in Prophecies and in the Kryta area, and GW2 has already showed they have no problem letting you play as an "evil" race (Charr).

Two problems with Undead:

1. Total WoW ripoff. Anet will probably stay clear from them. (Too clarify, I realize as a fantasy based MMORPG, there will be some overlap in Class and Races. I call Undead a WoW race because they are the only MMORPG to my knowledge that allows people to play Undead. Am I wrong?)

2. Are Undead "redeemable"? My guess is we are not playing "evil" Charr, but rather "reformed" Charr. Otherwise, you could never fight alongside Humans!

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Originally Posted by Domino

Anyway, just my speculation... My prediction is that new races will be a big selling point for GW2 expansion packs, so they won't give us all the races at once. They wanna keep people hooked.

I agree. Although, I'ma bit confused what Anet will sell in these "expansions" for GW2. They've already stated they are against the new Profession concept. So, if races have skills, won't that just be another "profession" per se?

clawofcrimson · Apr 03, 2007, 06:19 PM // 18:19

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Originally Posted by Lepht

"Becoming wow..."

"moving closer to wow..."

People, stop.

not sure what people are so worried about... WoW is the most popular mmorpg out there. and while it kills everyone in sales..it is clearly inferiour in SO many ways. admitted by the players of Wow themselves... so why would a great company like anet 'not' want to glean the good points of this game???? and tap into the millions that are playing it.... the ones who wished there was something better...??

the good points about Wow (and other similar games) have been carefully picked out of the bramble of issues that make the game aweful. for instance

bad points?
1. Grind. this has been adressed with the proposed 'buddy' system. you dont need to be lvl100 to compete.
2. fair pvp. we already know that GW2 will keep its UAX skill and level system for pvp. so no problem there.
3. camping. the devs assure us that this will be adressed as well. they removed this problem in GW1 with instanced realms..maybe they have come up with something better.
3. WoW is....pretty dang ugly. *enter GW artists* problem solved...no more sucky cartoon cows. we get bad-arse charr.

Good points?
1. playable races. this adds depth and diversity to the game... a welcome change.
2. higher level cap. gives us something to do after level 20...why is this a bad thing. the downsides have been adressed already.
3. more interactive pve world-jumping, persistant etc... GW needed this ...bad

..so what if they use some good ideas from other mmorpgs....even Wow. as long as they are the good ones.

Caith-Avar · Apr 03, 2007, 07:27 PM // 19:27

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Originally Posted by Domino

I predict there are a few races A-net isn't telling us about.

Undead anyone?

I think, only think, that I have read something about "then we will show you the other races"... something about GWEN? A preview on GWEN? Something? I don't know, I just... *sigh* it's on the tip of my tongue.

But, I hope it's NOT undead. This would be kind of a cheap shot.
And I don't think - although I'd hope it - that it's one of the usual suspects (a.k.a. the already known races - Forgotten, Dredge, Centaurs, Tengu, Dwarves...)
We'll see about that, I guess.

I agree with Mordakai however, that it'll be reformed charr that we'll be playing. There is something in the NF storyline about having been deceived by their "gods", the titans...

And I agree with Alaris. Or, more closely, share an experience. I tried WoW as well, a 10 day trial code. Totally fascinated on day 1, playing on on day 2, trying something out with some RL-friend who's really a WoW-fan on day 3. On day 4, I couldn't get myself to play on. Not to even start the game.
It's nice enough for a classical mmorpg. But those treadmills always... ah, I don't like them.
After rereading it, I have to gladly agree on that very neutral, very nice comparison. Sounds good and matches my opinion so far.

@clawofcrimson
Yeah. Most negative points have been adressed and there are good points. I hope they'll be more inventive to counter grind than "just" the sidekicking system.
And I DEFINETLY like your pro 3.2. Although, when I tested it, I realized, that although it is ugly while still requiring a better PC and Internet connection on average, the comic graphic doesn't disturb the game as much as could be imagined. Somehow, it fits. In a peculiar, yet not really negative way.
*takes off the business suit and the horns*

Yuca Dolitae · Apr 03, 2007, 07:34 PM // 19:34

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Originally Posted by Domino

Anyway, just my speculation... My prediction is that new races will be a big selling point for GW2 expansion packs, so they won't give us all the races at once. They wanna keep people hooked.

Y'know - I really hadn't thought of that...but I can see that happening now. One does have to ask just how many races will be released at a time though - doing it like they did with the other expansions and having 2 at a time would quickly lead to there being too many races around.

Cheyenne Jouett · Apr 03, 2007, 07:50 PM // 19:50

Preview? The only thing I recall about any previews is them introducing characters in G.W.E.N. that will be playable in GW2, but maybe I need to read into it further to be sure. As far as other possible races I could see Centaurs and Tengu being a possibility, but more so the Dwarves. Why? Well, G.W.E.N. does seem to involve the Dwarven race even more, and since G.W.E.N will be linking to GW2 to allow us the usage of the Hall of monuments, etc., then it would make sense that the Dwarves would carry on into GW2. Who knows. It's smart of them to keep people impatiently waiting though, it'd make everyone and anyone eager to buy it just to see.

As far as people groaning over the possibility over another WoW, I guess I could see why. There are a lot of games out there like it, and the constant likeness between games can get boring. I never, personally, played WoW myself, just couldn't dredge up the interest for it. But GW I did, and I am addicted...But from what I am reading Anet promises that it won't be anything like WoW..

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"We should be able to make the game that's right for Guild Wars and not have a game that's driven by a business model. We're not chasing after other MMOs. Lots of other developers are looking to make WoW 2.0 - Blizzard themselves are probably looking to make WoW 2.0, and they'll do a great job of it. We have no desire to make a WoW-killer. You can't design games in a vaccum. We pay attention to WoW and to other games, too. Every game has lessons - even games that aren't that spectacular have good things in them. We certainly watch what they do and factor it in, but Guild Wars has carved out its own category and pioneered new play mechanics. Guild Wars 2 is going to focus on what we've done well [not battling Wow]. Unlike World of Warcraft, which operates within a lore that's been around for ages, Guild Wars is about building a world and then telling a story. We have the ability to tell very specific stories, and we won't lose that with Guild Wars 2. But, rather than one story, there will be bubbles of stories - you can dip your toes in and pursue the stories that are interesting to you. It's a setting with multiple important stories." ~~ as quoted by Jeff Strain

I suppose this was what clawofcrimson was trying to point out in some way, but there you have it...

Caith-Avar · Apr 03, 2007, 08:08 PM // 20:08

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Originally Posted by Cheyenne Jouett

Preview? The only thing I recall about any previews is them introducing characters in G.W.E.N. that will be playable in GW2, but maybe I need to read into it further to be sure.

Yeah, guess it was somewhere there. But somehow phrased like "you will find about the other races then" or "they will be revealed" ... something that made me feel like the existence of additional races beyond those already mentioned was a fact. More than the quote Domino posted.

And a big, big THANK YOU from me for that quote about WoW 2.0 or WoW-killer. That's nice. I like it.

aminalover84 · Apr 03, 2007, 08:13 PM // 20:13

I'm no WoW enthusiast, but if Anet takes only one thing from them, I can only hope its the in-game auction house. Screaming weapons-sellers on all-chat and trade chat is plainly annoying, not to mention that you can't possibly target all buyers at once since the only people that can read what you are saying are the ones in that outpost/town/city. It's a poorly designed setup, and having to rely on a completely different site for an auction is simply lame. That's my two cents.

Mordakai · Apr 03, 2007, 08:22 PM // 20:22

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Originally Posted by Caith-Avar

Yeah, guess it was somewhere there. But somehow phrased like "you will find about the other races then" or "they will be revealed" ... something that made me feel like the existence of additional races beyond those already mentioned was a fact. More than the quote Domino posted.

Caith, is this what you're talking about?

gamona: You already announced some of the new races in Guild Wars 2 (Humans, Charr, Norn, Asura, Sylvari). What other races will we be able to play?

Arena.net: Sorry, but that's super-duper-secret. I can't tell you anything about that, not even when we're going to announce new details. What I can tell you is that the new playable races are even shown or shadowed in Eye of the North (EotN, announced for summer 2007). By introducing the new races and their stories, EotN will act as a "bridge" between GW 1 and GW 2.

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Not sure if they mean only the Humans, Charr, Norn, Asura, Sylvari will be shown, or if more playable races will be. Probably vague on purpose.

Oh, and animalover - GW2 better have an Auction House. No excuse not to.

Cheyenne Jouett · Apr 03, 2007, 08:32 PM // 20:32

anima:
I whole-heartidly agree on that. It is annoying to be in a town and your chat window is being constantly spammed, trade chat or not. I mean, even I admit I have sold a few but after a while I just gave up. No use, when your bit is flying by and being covered by more sellers. Especially when you see something you want and you can't find the person's IGN because it vanished into the mess of spamming sellers.

Caith and Mor:
I think they were only hinting at Sylvari, Norn, Charr, and Asura for G.W.E.N. to be honest, because that's all I have read about being introduced. I mean in the end we can all speculate, and I could be wrong, but that's all I am seeing.

Caith-Avar · Apr 03, 2007, 08:35 PM // 20:35

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Originally Posted by Mordakai

Caith, is this what you're talking about?

I think, no. But it may easily be that my mind is tricking me. But I think it really was a bit more... definitive. I'll see if I can look it up again. It might be that it's not even on those interviews, but some sort of Gaile Gray statement or something.

Bane Legacy · Apr 03, 2007, 11:06 PM // 23:06

GW is a good series and Id choose it over WoW accept for two small factors. The game was way to short and the whole game seemed like a single player game. For a MMORPG it didnt have the feel. GW:2 seems promising but im still hazy on a few things. Is the whole game gonna be instanced like the previous and are they gonna be keeping the skills and the graphics from the previous.

Caith-Avar · Apr 03, 2007, 11:40 PM // 23:40

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Originally Posted by Bane Legacy

Is the whole game gonna be instanced like the previous and are they gonna be keeping the skills and the graphics from the previous.

Instanced: Clearly has been stated that it will have much more persistence (that's about the opposite of instancing on that spectrum) - there will be instanced areas (they are there in WoW as well), but the whole world is planned as more or less completely persistant.

Graphics... er, I think they'll be doing something to the graphics as it has been stated that it will support (read it clearly: support, not need) DX10 most likely. So I guess it's a safe call that there will be redone graphics. GW-style still, but "better".

Skills. Well. Wrong foot there, I guess. Maybe Glint could tell us - maybe. If you find anything more about it than wild speculations on "emergent complexity" and general simplification... please... send me a message. I'd like to know myself. I think there has been something about keeping some key aspects - but noone has stated clearly what aspects, yet. I think.

Kijik Oni Hanryuu · Apr 04, 2007, 12:10 AM // 00:10

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Originally Posted by aminalover84

I'm no WoW enthusiast, but if Anet takes only one thing from them, I can only hope its the in-game auction house. Screaming weapons-sellers on all-chat and trade chat is plainly annoying, not to mention that you can't possibly target all buyers at once since the only people that can read what you are saying are the ones in that outpost/town/city. It's a poorly designed setup, and having to rely on a completely different site for an auction is simply lame. That's my two cents.

They have actually semi solved the WTB WTS dilemma already.. in the search box there is a trade section

speaking of the playable races thing.. I demand Tengu dang it.. Tengu are SAVVVVS albeit slightly annoying sounding.. I still love their look and especially how they carry their blades.
I wonder also is how they are going to carry the professions system over.. I'd love to make a Asura assassin..jajajajaja midget just 'ssassinated yo butt.

StormofBladeZ · Apr 04, 2007, 12:12 AM // 00:12

Well though this seems awsome I dont quite like the level cap over 100 or so.
The game is great as it is now. Balanced and me aall. Levels dont matter because once your lvl 20 its how you play. Its your skills.

Ide say make the level cap Lower about 30 or 40 or 50 or something because 100+ will completly inbalance the game.

There will be people screaming noob out because they are higher level but they have no skills at all compared to the lower leveled people who know what they are doing but dont play enough to get higher levels.

bilwit · Apr 04, 2007, 12:16 AM // 00:16

Hopefully they'll add more social aspects like traditional mmorpg's.. to give us something to chew when we're not beating each other in combat (which all Guild Wars is about atm .. sorry anet it gets dull fast)

Ace the Sky · Apr 04, 2007, 01:31 AM // 01:31

Any updates to that, or will it even continue onto GW2? Personally I think some people hog it and it should be changed to cost more or something like that to make it fair for all players.

~Ace~

aminalover84 · Apr 04, 2007, 02:03 AM // 02:03

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Originally Posted by Kijik Oni Hanryuu

They have actually semi solved the WTB WTS dilemma already.. in the search box there is a trade section

Unfortunately, how many people do you see actually using it? Few to nil.

Voltaire · Apr 04, 2007, 02:24 AM // 02:24

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Originally Posted by Ace the Sky

Any updates to that, or will it even continue onto GW2? Personally I think some people hog it and it should be changed to cost more or something like that to make it fair for all players.
~Ace~

In the article, A-Net states that those victorious Realm vs Realm PvP in GW2 will bestow certains "buffs" to those "loyally" playing in that realm. However, no playable PvE content will be denied to any of the other realms.

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Originally Posted by aminalover84

Unfortunately, how many people do you see actually using it? Few to nil.

This very fact gives me pause when wondering if players would adopt a proper auction house either.

Bryant Again · Apr 04, 2007, 03:14 AM // 03:14

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Originally Posted by Voltaire

This very fact gives me pause when wondering if players would adopt a proper auction house either.

"WTS Gloom Shield Max Req10 Str -"

That's all I could fit in the party box. Not even a price. Taking out the spacebars didn't help, either.

The party search was meant just for that: finding parties. You just can't fit in any trades, that's why people don't use it.

Amaras · Apr 04, 2007, 04:43 AM // 04:43

I can't wait ^^